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AMT Tech Trends: Finding IMTS Part 2

Ben and Steve discuss their favorite adult beverages to quaff in Chicago. They continue the theme of the last episode but, this time set their sights on the east and west halls, including all the programs available on the main stage.
Aug 26, 2022

Episode 78: Ben and Steve discuss their favorite adult beverages to quaff in Chicago. They continue the theme of the last episode but, this time set their sights on the east and west halls, including all the programs available on the main stage.

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Benjamin Moses:          Hello, everyone. Welcome to the AMT Tech Trends Podcast, where we discuss the latest manufacturing technology, research and news. Today's episode is sponsored by IMTS+. I am the Director of Travel, Benjamin Moses, and I'm here with-

Stephen LaMarca:         The Director of Travel? Well, he's here with AMT's Male Plus Size Model, Steven LaMarca.

Benjamin Moses:          Steve, how you doing today?

Stephen LaMarca:         Hey, Indian Lex Fridman.

Benjamin Moses:          I'm travel. So we got the IMTS coming up.

Stephen LaMarca:         It's fun.

Benjamin Moses:          So I thought I'd throw a little something in there. So speaking of travel, we're going to be at Chicago, or in Chicago, for just over a week or so. Not as long as the people that are, I think, as the exhibitors and some of our staff, that are doing set up days, and a lot of the pre-event stuff. But we'll be there for a while. And one thing, I wanted to continue our conversation. We talked about food in the last episode.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yep.

Benjamin Moses:          A couple places. We need to talk about drinks.

Stephen LaMarca:         Right.

Benjamin Moses:          Most people are going to have a drink. If you don't drink, enjoy some mocktails or some-

Stephen LaMarca:         Most people are going to drink. Everybody at IMTS drinks. A lot.

Benjamin Moses:          I thought we'd talk about what your favorite drinks are, either in Chicago, or when you travel. What's your ordering strategy?

Stephen LaMarca:         Okay. When I'm out and about, my favorite cocktail, and what's good is it's simple.

Benjamin Moses:          Sure.

Stephen LaMarca:         But I always have to explain it to people. To servers and bartenders.

Benjamin Moses:          Okay.

Stephen LaMarca:         Because it doesn't have a name.

Benjamin Moses:          Okay.

Stephen LaMarca:         And I'd love to give it my own name, but nobody's going to know what that is. But I like to ask for a pint glass.

Benjamin Moses:          Sure.

Stephen LaMarca:         Full of ice.

Benjamin Moses:          Okay.

Stephen LaMarca:         And I fill it halfway up with Frangelico, and then the rest of the way up with club soda. And it makes this Italian soda.

Benjamin Moses:          That's cool.

Stephen LaMarca:         An Italian cream soda.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah?

Stephen LaMarca:         With hazelnut flavoring. You throw a straw in there. It's just delicious. It's nice and light. It's tasty.

Benjamin Moses:          You go right off the bat, to a custom order?

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah. Right off the bat to a custom order.

Benjamin Moses:          That's cool.

Stephen LaMarca:         Now, if they're not having it, and it looks crazy busy-

Benjamin Moses:          Sure.

Stephen LaMarca:         And I'm not about to explain it to anybody, best cocktail there is, one part glass, one part whiskey.

Benjamin Moses:          Sure. If that's what you into.

Stephen LaMarca:         Especially scotch, bourbons. I'm really excited because, to plug a little bit of promotion here, I have a collaboration recording, video recording, that's going on with myself.

Benjamin Moses:          Okay.

Stephen LaMarca:         Road Tripping with Steve, meets the Tom and Lonnie Chat. And we are going to have a little episode of us basically getting blitzed at KOVAL, on Saturday, or Sunday, or Friday.

Benjamin Moses:          And that's a local distillery.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          Right.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          Nice.

Stephen LaMarca:         It's a local distillery in Chicago. Really cool family story, of these two. They are GQ models, and they have a distillery in Chicago. And it's awesome.

Benjamin Moses:          At home, I like to purchase as much local stuff as we can. Virginia has actually a broad spectrum of breweries and distilleries.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          So there's always section of local homegrown stuff. And I'll see if I can try that same in Chicago.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          I'm sure they'll have, and there's-

Stephen LaMarca:         Oh, I'll definitely bring you some, if you don't get to make it. I have a feeling they're going to send us home with a lot.

Benjamin Moses:          So usually when I'm out, I do have simple taste, also. If there's time to order, I like a dirty vodka martini. As many olives as possible.

Stephen LaMarca:         Good for you classy.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah.

Stephen LaMarca:         I don't like olives, but if I did, man, I would be drinking martinis all the time.

Benjamin Moses:          And then, obviously depending on the night, an old fashioned is always good. Or, to your point, I have a little more of a complex. I have a twist on an old fashioned, that I've been making myself.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          It's a little bit on the sweet side, which I'll share. It's granted. So it's one part bourbon, one part amaretto.

Stephen LaMarca:         Okay.

Benjamin Moses:          Half part triple sec.

Stephen LaMarca:         Okay.

Benjamin Moses:          And half part peach schnapps. I call it the Ben Fashioned.

Stephen LaMarca:         Dude. Nice.

Benjamin Moses:          It's delicious.

Stephen LaMarca:         That sounds amazing. You know what? Just so our listeners know, Ben is one of the funnest people to drink with, because you're classy. You have a great taste in the classic cocktails, but you're also not ashamed to venture out, and venture out on something that would get anybody else judged on. You can do that. No shame in the middle of winter, Ben's ordering a pina colada.

Benjamin Moses:          My second strategy is I order the most unique name cocktail on the menu.

Stephen LaMarca:         Sure.

Benjamin Moses:          So it's tough when I go to some places, and there's no cocktail menu.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          I'm like, I don't know what to do.

Stephen LaMarca:         Or if you see something across the restaurant that comes out lit on fire, Ben's like, "I'm going to find out, low key, without anybody noticing, what that is. And then I'm going to order that."

Benjamin Moses:          I'm going to try my to burn my mustache as I drink it. Awesome, Steve. Tell me about today's sponsor.

Stephen LaMarca:         Today's sponsor is IMTS+, the people behind technology, the stories driving the future of manufacturing, the thought leaders, and people like us, creating the products, the opportunities, and solving the challenges of our industry. Explore a new digital destination, designed for the manufacturing technology community, where you can watch, read, learn, join, and connect. Go to IMTS.com.

Benjamin Moses:          Nice. So, for the articles I want to cover today, it's a continued conversation of our walkthrough for IMTS. Last episode, we talked about the pavilions in North and South.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yep.

Benjamin Moses:          You know, you come in, either from the north building at one of the drop-offs, or from the buses in the south building. You make your way to north and south, and then you're leaving that area, head towards east. Now, before you head that, down the long hallway, which is a long hallway, there's the main stage.

Stephen LaMarca:         Either direction, it's going to be a long hallway, dude.

Benjamin Moses:          There's the main stage. I highly recommend checking out the schedule for the main stage. We're going to have a ton of content. You and I will be on there on Saturday afternoon, recording our live episode. We'll have a couple of sections, in one of the other recording studios, in the afternoon. But don't forget to check out the content on the main stage, and then head to the east building, which covers software, CAD cam, and also metrology.

Stephen LaMarca:         Oh, you know what's nice about the walk to the east building? Not to say that it's not a bad walk, or that it's a bad walk to the west building, but going to the east building, you cross a long bridge.

Benjamin Moses:          Right.

Stephen LaMarca:         And this beautiful bridge gives you the best view of whatever lake that is. Yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          Who knows? It's one of the finger lakes.

Stephen LaMarca:         I'm not a, what are they? Archeologists? Some of the-

Benjamin Moses:          Geography?

Stephen LaMarca:         Oh, there you go. Geography. Yeah. I'm not a Geography-ist.

Benjamin Moses:          That's true. I mean, you headed towards the east building, you are headed towards the lake. So if you do leave the east building, just like if you're headed there for lunch, if you're going to grab a Petzel, or a hot dog from inside there-

Stephen LaMarca:         Everybody has lunch. Well, everybody that's smart has lunch on the lake.

Benjamin Moses:          It's going to be fun.

Stephen LaMarca:         You can grab your lunch, and then go on a 15 minute walk to go to the lake, and then it's gorgeous.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah. Well, so once you get in there, the first area, the first pavilion that you're going to be faced with is the software and CAD/CAM area.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yes, sir.

Benjamin Moses:          And it's a good refresher, in terms of connectivity, and how important software is to the manufacturing industry. So I've got an article that talks about how to get started with smart manufacturing and IOT. And it's two part series. And there's two big takeaways, that I really like from these articles.

                                    One is, on the first part, it talks about the importance to define what it actually means for a machine shop to be smart. Everyone throws around the term "smart manufacturing". Smart manufacturing, smart shops. But as a business, the key takeaway from the first part, is where does your business want to be in that journey? What do you want to connect? What value are you getting?

                                    And that leads directly into the second point of, the first steps of using live data is to define planned and unplanned downtime for basic tasks, like machine setup or blowing off chips. The black and white markers of, "Is it machine running? Is it not running? Is it cutting chips? Is it not making me money?" That's the foundation of the first value, that a lot of people are going to look at. And it's overrated. I'm sorry. It's underrated.

Stephen LaMarca:         Underrated.

Benjamin Moses:          It's underrated, how important that is. Cause once you can understand that first black and white, then you can get in the grays of, "Why was the machine down?"

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          And I really like this two part setup, for those that are either starting their smart manufacturing journey, or that want to revisit how far they've come in their journey.

Stephen LaMarca:         Right.

Benjamin Moses:          So, its a good article. The second article I found was connectivity boost productivity. So kicking off, back to a connected factory, this is a Tom Melani chat, that you hosted.

Stephen LaMarca:         That's right.

Benjamin Moses:          And it was a great episode. And the key three bullets, that I found, were data matters on every scale.

Stephen LaMarca:         That's right. If it, you can write it down. If you're going to write something down with a pencil, why isn't it digital?

Benjamin Moses:          Exactly. Yeah.

Stephen LaMarca:         Why isn't it in a system anywhere?

Benjamin Moses:          Exactly. And it gets back to starting the process small. Starting off simple. Is the machine running? Is it not? So getting to very small stuff, to at some point in the future, where you're collecting everything from every machine, I think starting very small is important. And context drives relevance.

Stephen LaMarca:         My favorite bullet point, my favorite of the three takeaways from that whole thing: Context drives relevance. Don't mean to shamefully plug MTConnect.

Benjamin Moses:          Sure.

Stephen LaMarca:         But when anybody that's worked with MTConnect before knows that there's an agent and an adapter. The agent basically translates the machine's native data.

Benjamin Moses:          Right.

Stephen LaMarca:         Into the MTConnect language. And the adapter puts it into context.

Benjamin Moses:          Right.

Stephen LaMarca:         It makes sure the semantics is right. And that's important, because to think about languages, if you go to Google translate, and you type something in there in English, and then find out what is this in French?

Benjamin Moses:          Right.

Stephen LaMarca:         You're going to get a direct translation.

Benjamin Moses:          Yep.

Stephen LaMarca:         But it's like word for word.

Benjamin Moses:          Yep.

Stephen LaMarca:         Google's smarter than that now. It probably has the right grammar, and all that stuff.

Benjamin Moses:          Maybe.

Stephen LaMarca:         You would hope. But the translation might not necessarily be in the right context.

Benjamin Moses:          Right.

Stephen LaMarca:         There might be something lost there. Context is super important, once you hop on that digital thread.

Benjamin Moses:          It's important for digital manufacturing, and tattoos of other languages. The last bullet I have, from this article, was digitize everything. And I think that's a fair-

Stephen LaMarca:         Digitize every day.

Benjamin Moses:          Every day. I'm sorry.

Stephen LaMarca:         But still everything. Everything, every day.

Benjamin Moses:          That talks about the process of digital manufacturing. It's not day one, you have everything digitized. It's starting off small, and taking incremental bites towards adding value to the business. So, excellent article.

Stephen LaMarca:         That was a fun discussion.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah. Having a conversation with Tom and Lonnie, and Andres Wagner from [inaudible 00:11:19]. So that was a fun interview.

Stephen LaMarca:         He's a really fun dude. He's one of those people, in this industry, of a lot of people in this industry, that are really smart, but still really easy to talk to. Like you know this person is insanely smart, and you have no business having a conversation with them. But they still make you feel like a decent person, even though you're really dumb.

Benjamin Moses:          I mean, that's fair voice.

Stephen LaMarca:         Maybe that's just me.

Benjamin Moses:          That's fair with Tom and Lonnie also.

Stephen LaMarca:         True. True.

Benjamin Moses:          So metrology. That's also in the west building?

Stephen LaMarca:         My favorite.

Benjamin Moses:          Our favorite. I love me a good gauge pin.

Stephen LaMarca:         So I'm not going to mention the company's name, because Hexagon will get really mad at me for mentioning another company. But I love going to this one company's booth, because they make really accurate hand tools, for measurement. Calibers and stuff like that. And they show up to IMTS, or any trade show, but especially IMTS, and they have these awesome tables, and they just lay out all of their tools. And you can go up there, and you pick it up, and you play with it. But while you're picking it up and playing with it, the table lights up, and tells you what you're holding, and points to all of the features, while it's in your hands.

Benjamin Moses:          That's awesome. That's a fun experience.

Stephen LaMarca:         You'll figure out what company that is, but I don't want to offend Hexagon.

Benjamin Moses:          And the shifts in metrology. So it's a broad spectrum. Obviously you've got physical elements. If you have a go, no go gauge design, you're going to need some tooling around that. And basic tools. Hand tools are required, but the there's been significant shifts in how much metrology role plays in data acquisition.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yep.

Benjamin Moses:          And there's been big shifts in process capability.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yes.

Benjamin Moses:          So metrology is no longer, or equality is no longer a big pillar at the end of the process, moving that to in manufacturing, in machine, in process, has made leaps and bounds. There's a automation side of it, too. Right? We've talked about adding a fifth axis, or a additional axes to CMMs, and automating that type of process, but also automate-

Stephen LaMarca:         Inspection robots.

Benjamin Moses:          Inspection robots. Exactly. The growth of vision systems, attached to robotic arms, has grown significantly too. So being able to check to see if something is there.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          Assembly inspection, and in addition to measurement inspection, for vision system.

Stephen LaMarca:         I wonder if anybody makes end of arm tooling for a robot, that is a caliber. Like that opens and closes a caliber, and it pinches something? It was like-

Benjamin Moses:          Good.

Stephen LaMarca:         This is the diameter. This is the OD of this part, bro.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah. We'll look around. We'll search for that.

Stephen LaMarca:         I hope so, man.

Benjamin Moses:          So, that's in the west building. I'm sorry, the east building. So now, the last section that we're going to hit on is all the way in the west building. So it's a long walk. So if you want to get to additive tooling and work holding, that's going to be in the west building. And there's a conference there, also.

                                    So one thing we would advise you, that there's a couple of things to keep in mind. The floor plan that you're going to be at for IMTS is big.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yes.

Benjamin Moses:          Walking between north and south is fine. I mean, to be honest, those are big areas. So you're going to cover a lot of ground there. And if you go down the students, I might check that out. It's a lot of ground. But now you're traversing the entire length of the campus. And there's a couple of key things to keep in mind. And you mentioned that too is-

Stephen LaMarca:         Minimum 15 minute cushion.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah.

Stephen LaMarca:         If you're going to be anywhere, you have to leave to meet up at that place 15 minutes before your meetup time. And don't rush.

Benjamin Moses:          Don't rush.

Stephen LaMarca:         Give yourself 15 minutes, and take the whole 15 minutes. Walk slow, your feet, ankles, joints, or your knees, they will all thank you. By Wednesday evening, and you're only halfway through the show, they will be thanking you.

Benjamin Moses:          Absolutely. And I think that's the key, is a lot of our audience may be used to obviously walking around the shop floor, if they're manning a couple of machines. They're used to walking around quite a bit.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          But now you can put on several miles on in one day.

Stephen LaMarca:         Easily. [inaudible 00:15:31].

Benjamin Moses:          So wear some tennis issues or something. Get some inserts. Also one thing to keep in mind, there's a lot of shiny objects. So if you have to be somewhere-

Stephen LaMarca:         Put on the blinders.

Benjamin Moses:          You got to put on some blinders.

Stephen LaMarca:         Put on the blinders. If you're a high profile person, put on disguise. Do the little groucho marks, like nose and glasses, mustache disguise thing.

Benjamin Moses:          Hint, hint, Steve.

Stephen LaMarca:         Seriously. That was really fun this year, at Rapid.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah.

Stephen LaMarca:         It happened enough times. I can only count it on one hand. But it was cool trying to be somewhere, walking from one side of Rapid to the other, and somebody would shout, "Hey, it's Road Trippin' with Steve."

Benjamin Moses:          Nice.

Stephen LaMarca:         That was really fun.

Benjamin Moses:          It's fun.

Stephen LaMarca:         My golden rule of 15 minutes, a 15 minute cushion, to be somewhere at IMTS, I may have to double that this year.

Benjamin Moses:          I would recommend that. Well, you got a lot places to be.

Stephen LaMarca:         I'm not trying to toot my own horn. I'm just saying. So if you're a high profile person too, give yourself maybe a half hour. You can experiment with me. Comment down below, if you needed a half hour.

Benjamin Moses:          I want to hit on tooling and work holding, first.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yes, sir.

Benjamin Moses:          So I came up with a fun quote. If subtractive is the foundation of the manufacturing industry, tooling and work holding is the clay of that foundation. I think it's not talked about enough how important tooling and work holding is, particularly for subtractive. And I got two really good articles that talk about how the importance of tooling and workload, and how far they've come.

                                    So the first one is from Cutting Tool Engineering, and they talk about make better tool choices, with new online resources. So I'm a big fan. Everyone's a big fan of the Machinist Handbook. Right?

Stephen LaMarca:         Yes, sir.

Benjamin Moses:          That has so much information. And I was looking online. I have Edition 27, and they're up to 31 now, which makes a lot of sense cause I'm old.

Stephen LaMarca:         Wow.

Benjamin Moses:          But there's so much information there, and it's a very good starting point. But in terms of where we've come, there's so much fluidity, and cutting tools in terms of feeds, and speeds, and knowledge, related to cutting tools and specific applications.

                                    This article covers three very good key points for making sure you have the right tools, and you're running them at the right speed. So the need for education. What is the thing that you're cutting? So they get into the flexibility of job shops, of, you could be cutting a stainless steel 321 on one day, to cast inconel the next day. Are you going to use the same tools? I don't know. So the basis for the education. Also, we've inherited a ton of knowledge. We've been machining for a long time.

Stephen LaMarca:         Is cast inconel a thing?

Benjamin Moses:          Oh, absolutely.

Stephen LaMarca:         You can cast it?

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah, definitely.

Stephen LaMarca:         How hot is that?

Benjamin Moses:          I mean, you got to melt it.

Stephen LaMarca:         Doesn't that like, super not want to be melted?

Benjamin Moses:          I mean, it's heat resistant alloy. So it's got very good strength properties, at very high temperatures. But everything melts at some point.

Stephen LaMarca:         Or burns.

Benjamin Moses:          True.

Stephen LaMarca:         That's impressive. I didn't know. I didn't know it was a cast thing.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah. Yeah. We cast inconel 718 also. Now you got to treat that afterwards.

Stephen LaMarca:         Okay.

Benjamin Moses:          Don't forget to hip it.

Stephen LaMarca:         [inaudible 00:18:34]

Benjamin Moses:          The second one I have is sharing machining knowledge. So there are a lot of online resources, and a lot of documentation, towards the stuff that we've been machining recently. And also, the shared knowledge over time.

                                    In this article, they talk about roughly 1500 pages of speeds and feeds, and different configurations. And they expect that documentation to grow to 2000, by the end of the year. And also, examining the role of Parts Distributors. So the Parts Distributor, in the context of tooling. So the article talks about, previously, if you had a part number, they'll give you a part number. But now, they're more of a knowledge center. They're more of a knowledge house. They're aggregating all this information about how their cutters are doing. They're doing their own experimentation. They're understanding the usage of their tools. So instead of focusing on just part numbers, they're focusing on applications.

                                    So the scenario of, "I'm constantly flipping between materials." Getting an understanding of, "Maybe I need a tool that can do both." Maybe I have such high material change, or material variation, that instead of changing tools, based on that specific application, I need a tool that's going to cut three different types of material. It could go from aluminum to a stainless steel, to a brass, or something like that.

                                    So I thought it was very interesting that the knowledge for tooling has become super important, in our drive to start documenting there.

Stephen LaMarca:         Sure.

Benjamin Moses:          To help accelerate manufacturers.

Stephen LaMarca:         I can't wait to see some-

Benjamin Moses:          Use your words, Steve.

Stephen LaMarca:         Composite tools.

Benjamin Moses:          Oh, yes.

Stephen LaMarca:         They look like tire treads. They have the flutes going in different directions.

Benjamin Moses:          Exactly. That's fascinating.

Stephen LaMarca:         I can't wait to see some of those, and actually hold them.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah. That'd be amazing.

Stephen LaMarca:         Also, you can't cast tungsten.

Benjamin Moses:          Fair point.

Stephen LaMarca:         You can't cast titanium.

Benjamin Moses:          You can cast titanium.

Stephen LaMarca:         Really?

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah. Don't question my titanium skills.

Stephen LaMarca:         Okay. I won't. I won't. But I know you can't cast tungsten.

Benjamin Moses:          So the next one I have is the intersection of additive, and tooling. So this is where we kind of blur the lines, between those two pavilions. And I think it's a very good use case, for a lot of manufacturers, where there's a lot of value of additive, in tooling and work holding.

                                    So we've been talking about work holding, in general, being able to grow custom work holding fixtures for a while. And that's a very-

Stephen LaMarca:         Soft jaws.

Benjamin Moses:          That's a fantastic use case for additives. Particularly if you have plastic additive, in house. You know, can grow it very quickly. Get that tool set up, and then you're running that number parts, especially if you use a high strength ABS, or high strengths plastics, in those scenarios.

                                    So this article, specifically, talks about on the cutting side, the use of additive to get very, very complex cooling channels. And those cooling channels improve tool wear, and cutter performance over time. And one thing that I do like is extending the life, to promote minimum quantity lubrication.

Stephen LaMarca:         Dude. You're the biggest fan of MQL.

Benjamin Moses:          I'm a big fan of MQL.

Stephen LaMarca:         MQL fan boy, over here.

Benjamin Moses:          I want it to make a comeback. So I thought there was a very good takeaway. You're at this, on the west building, and there is a lot of synergy between additive, and tooling and work holding. Obviously additive has a long way to go for production, where we're seeing a lot of production use cases. But there's a lot of value, day one, for additive in your factory.

Stephen LaMarca:         You know what? To get sidetracked real quick, to go on a real quick tangent. You and Russ, but specifically you, taught me about MQL, year one.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah.

Stephen LaMarca:         At AMT. And fast forward to yesterday, Jesse and Nina asked me about cutting fluids. Like Jesse opened up with, "Steve, what do you know about Blaser Swisslube? And it went onto a good conversation about the different types of fluids used in machining and whatnot.

                                    And I mentioned MQL, and I told them MQL. And it wasn't until yesterday, that I realized one of the big setbacks, the only con that I can think of, to MQL. Because it's so minimum and you use so little of it, there's not enough to flush the part of all of the chips and whatnot.

Benjamin Moses:          That's fair.

Stephen LaMarca:         So it can't be used in a compressed air jet.

Benjamin Moses:          Right. Chip evacuation is still a problem.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah, I mean, there's ways around that too, I've seen.

Stephen LaMarca:         And the lesser fluid you use, the less cooling effect that fluid will have. But that's not the application. It's lubrication.

Benjamin Moses:          Right.

Stephen LaMarca:         That's cooling.

Benjamin Moses:          That's part of the design. Right? If you're doing a deep cavity, like a tub or something like that, maybe MQL is not your thing. You have tons of chips, you're going to need some type of-

                                    Or, you cut that horizontally. Maybe don't cut that vertically.

Stephen LaMarca:         Right.

Benjamin Moses:          So there's a problem statement. There's always a solution

Stephen LaMarca:         Roughing versus fine passes.

Benjamin Moses:          Exactly. And then, additive has grown significantly, right? That we have got a couple conferences over there, that are talking about additive, and the changes and the shifts in the technology. And I think it'll be fantastic for people to take a look, and to see how far things have come.

                                    Also explore, if you are getting new into additive, ask about whether environment and health and safety requirements, too. So that is severely underrated. I've been on a bunch of tours, where we go into the additive section, and they're doing metallic parts. And you'll see a operator in complete respirator equipment, like a helmet, and like a Tyvek suit. That's because the particles are so fine, that you could inhale those particles.

                                    So it's basically in clean room conditions, outside of the machine, but also inside the machine, because it's like welding applications. So there's a lot of nuances to additive, and it's worth just asking, "What is the workflow for an additive machine?" If you're trying to get into it.

Stephen LaMarca:         Right. And be very careful of anybody trying to feed you the Koolaid that is the S word. Sustainability.

Benjamin Moses:          Oh yes. To be fair, there are a lot of our members, manufacturing technology creators, that are changing their factories into more environmentally friendly factories.

Stephen LaMarca:         Sure.

Benjamin Moses:          So, running their entire factory off solar panels and battery, or sustainable energy. Which, to be fair, I think that's fantastic.

Stephen LaMarca:         Absolutely.

Benjamin Moses:          Manufacturing is a huge part of the US energy consumption.

Stephen LaMarca:         But if you're going for sustainability, you should be focusing on a technique, not a technology.

Benjamin Moses:          Fair. That's all good advice, Steve. Steve, that was a great episode.

Stephen LaMarca:         This was a blast.

Benjamin Moses:          I'm excited to be part of the IMTS crew.

Stephen LaMarca:         One episode closer to IMTS 2022.

Benjamin Moses:          It's coming up quick. Excited to be in Chicago, and excited to be at the show.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yes, sir.

Benjamin Moses:          See all the new technology. So any last parting words, before we close out for today?

Stephen LaMarca:         You can find more episodes, just like this, and more articles at AMTonline.org/resources. Goodbye, everybody.

Benjamin Moses:          Bye everybody.

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